Comments on: How? http://jabberfrog.com/2007/04/26/how/ stop the madness... get to the point Fri, 02 Oct 2009 03:27:45 -0600 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: 5and2fish.com http://jabberfrog.com/2007/04/26/how/comment-page-1/#comment-35 5and2fish.com Mon, 30 Apr 2007 18:39:15 +0000 http://jabberfrog.com/2007/04/26/how/#comment-35 <strong>Children See, Children Do...</strong> There has been a conversation on jabberfrog.com about the parent’s role in discipling there children. Here is a video that shows the criticalness of that role. ...... Children See, Children Do…

There has been a conversation on jabberfrog.com about the parent’s role in discipling there children. Here is a video that shows the criticalness of that role.

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]]> By: Ryan http://jabberfrog.com/2007/04/26/how/comment-page-1/#comment-34 Ryan Sun, 29 Apr 2007 14:12:17 +0000 http://jabberfrog.com/2007/04/26/how/#comment-34 Thanks for the two book recommendations. I am going get those two immediately. Thank you guys for you ideas and sharing your thoughts. One thing that my wife and I are starting to do, and will encourage others to do is when we go out into our communities and serve, is to take our kids. This is a new thought for us. We always felt we could be more effective with out our kiddos around, but we are learning the opposite. Our kids, just by there realness, provide a connection that is natural and real. It is amazing to see what God can do through a child! Thanks for the two book recommendations. I am going get those two immediately.

Thank you guys for you ideas and sharing your thoughts. One thing that my wife and I are starting to do, and will encourage others to do is when we go out into our communities and serve, is to take our kids. This is a new thought for us. We always felt we could be more effective with out our kiddos around, but we are learning the opposite. Our kids, just by there realness, provide a connection that is natural and real. It is amazing to see what God can do through a child!

]]> By: Michelle http://jabberfrog.com/2007/04/26/how/comment-page-1/#comment-33 Michelle Sat, 28 Apr 2007 17:23:24 +0000 http://jabberfrog.com/2007/04/26/how/#comment-33 :-) That's on my reading list now. I've read a bunch about it and we're working on the Simple Church concepts now. It takes that a step further with alignment among ministries. :-) That’s on my reading list now. I’ve read a bunch about it and we’re working on the Simple Church concepts now. It takes that a step further with alignment among ministries.

]]> By: Gina http://jabberfrog.com/2007/04/26/how/comment-page-1/#comment-32 Gina Sat, 28 Apr 2007 04:02:45 +0000 http://jabberfrog.com/2007/04/26/how/#comment-32 Thanks for your feedback, Michelle. I agree. Getting the parents in their kids experience goes a long way toward gaining their 'buy in'. The concept of mainstreaming what is taught among adults and children is a great idea. Dave Ferguson has a book (The Big Idea)centered around this concept... but I bet you've already that one. Thanks for your feedback, Michelle. I agree. Getting the parents in their kids experience goes a long way toward gaining their ‘buy in’.

The concept of mainstreaming what is taught among adults and children is a great idea. Dave Ferguson has a book (The Big Idea)centered around this concept… but I bet you’ve already that one.

]]> By: Michelle http://jabberfrog.com/2007/04/26/how/comment-page-1/#comment-31 Michelle Sat, 28 Apr 2007 01:24:15 +0000 http://jabberfrog.com/2007/04/26/how/#comment-31 I know of churches that invite parents and families into children's ministry programming. This opens the door for strengthening of parent's involvement in their child's experience. Also, mainstreaming what is taught between adults and children helps. Then they have the tools taught to them as parents that they can focus on with their children. They all are learning the same truth and can apply it developmentally. We try to incorporate take home information for families to follow-up with at home for more in depth comversation. Don't know how well this works. This is a great question. I really think it is a maturity issue as an adult and within their spriritual development. I like the mentoring idea. Workshops for parents could be an asset as well. I know of churches that invite parents and families into children’s ministry programming. This opens the door for strengthening of parent’s involvement in their child’s experience. Also, mainstreaming what is taught between adults and children helps. Then they have the tools taught to them as parents that they can focus on with their children. They all are learning the same truth and can apply it developmentally. We try to incorporate take home information for families to follow-up with at home for more in depth comversation. Don’t know how well this works. This is a great question. I really think it is a maturity issue as an adult and within their spriritual development. I like the mentoring idea. Workshops for parents could be an asset as well.

]]> By: jabberfrog.com » This conversation is too good… http://jabberfrog.com/2007/04/26/how/comment-page-1/#comment-30 jabberfrog.com » This conversation is too good… Fri, 27 Apr 2007 17:43:11 +0000 http://jabberfrog.com/2007/04/26/how/#comment-30 [...] this and not participating. What are your thoughts? Do you agree? Do you think I’m crazy? Catch up and jump in… « How? [...] [...] this and not participating. What are your thoughts? Do you agree? Do you think I’m crazy? Catch up and jump in… « How? [...]

]]> By: Gina http://jabberfrog.com/2007/04/26/how/comment-page-1/#comment-29 Gina Fri, 27 Apr 2007 17:18:58 +0000 http://jabberfrog.com/2007/04/26/how/#comment-29 Ryan, Where I am I have to attack this one parent conversation at a time. But at my church, that's a whole lot of conversations and I'm behind the 8-ball already. We attempt communication through pamphlets, letters, e-news, website... the list goes on. But none of these things work very well. I don't think it has anything to do with practical steps. I think it has everything to do with a cultural mindset. Mentorship Mentorship has to be incorporated into the small group environment within the church. If you can effectively incorporate a mentorship mentality into your small group ministry then you have a Paul/Timothy attitude that pervades your church. You've got the elements right now. You have a group of people that just want to dig their hands in and 'be the church'. Incredible. Teach them to mentor others. Teach them to always be looking for who God wants them to pour themselves into. With this mind set it is easier to help parents see that the person God wants them to mentor right now is their own children. A child that has said yes to Jesus is a follower of Christ... just a little shorter than the rest of us! I don't have step-by-step. Wish I did. I just know that after a brief 6 years of ministry the best solution to ANY need that exists within the church is when one Christ follower helps a younger Christ follower in their pursuit of Jesus. If we step back from this we will see that it is not just a kids ministry issue... it's an entire church body issue. Ryan,
Where I am I have to attack this one parent conversation at a time. But at my church, that’s a whole lot of conversations and I’m behind the 8-ball already. We attempt communication through pamphlets, letters, e-news, website… the list goes on. But none of these things work very well. I don’t think it has anything to do with practical steps. I think it has everything to do with a cultural mindset.

Mentorship

Mentorship has to be incorporated into the small group environment within the church. If you can effectively incorporate a mentorship mentality into your small group ministry then you have a Paul/Timothy attitude that pervades your church.

You’ve got the elements right now. You have a group of people that just want to dig their hands in and ‘be the church’. Incredible. Teach them to mentor others. Teach them to always be looking for who God wants them to pour themselves into.

With this mind set it is easier to help parents see that the person God wants them to mentor right now is their own children. A child that has said yes to Jesus is a follower of Christ… just a little shorter than the rest of us!

I don’t have step-by-step. Wish I did. I just know that after a brief 6 years of ministry the best solution to ANY need that exists within the church is when one Christ follower helps a younger Christ follower in their pursuit of Jesus.

If we step back from this we will see that it is not just a kids ministry issue… it’s an entire church body issue.

]]> By: Ryan http://jabberfrog.com/2007/04/26/how/comment-page-1/#comment-28 Ryan Fri, 27 Apr 2007 14:03:09 +0000 http://jabberfrog.com/2007/04/26/how/#comment-28 Great post Gina! I totally agree with what you are saying. From a kids ministry perspective, what practical ideas do you have about communicating this to parents? For our kids ministry, I can see a shift in the paradigm in that we are not leading kids, but leading parents. My current thinking is, the most effective thing I could do is to get mom and dad to see themselves as the ones primarily responsible for their kids discipleship. What are some ideas on doing this? What are your thoughts? Great post Gina! I totally agree with what you are saying.

From a kids ministry perspective, what practical ideas do you have about communicating this to parents? For our kids ministry, I can see a shift in the paradigm in that we are not leading kids, but leading parents. My current thinking is, the most effective thing I could do is to get mom and dad to see themselves as the ones primarily responsible for their kids discipleship. What are some ideas on doing this?

What are your thoughts?

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